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Treydon, the freedom-for-nature-not-from-nature thesis is correct and the Loudovikos citation signals you know where the better argument lives. What I want to push on is the grounding for the apophatic dimension, because I think you've reached the right conclusion by the wrong route — and the wrong route has consequences.

The move you're making is this: the person exceeds its natural description because subjectivity is phenomenologically irreducible to its empirical content. That's Stăniloae read through a Hegelian lens, and the problem is structural rather than incidental. If the person's inexhaustibility is grounded in the subject's inherent transcendence of determination, you've relocated the infinite subject of German Idealism inside Orthodox anthropology with a patristic label on it. The apophatic door opens, and the Hegelian infinite walks through. The conclusion looks Orthodox; the grounding isn't.

The Moschopoulos/Maximus framework gives you a better route to your own conclusion. The person exceeds its natural description not because subjectivity is inherently infinite but because each λόγος participates in the divine Logos, which is. The apophasis of the person is derivative and participatory — the person is inexhaustible because of what it participates in, not because of what it inherently is. That's a formally different claim with different anthropological consequences, and it doesn't require any continental vocabulary to establish.

Your own footnote 2 — Loudovikos's "Dialogical Nature, Enousion Person, and Non-ecstatic Will in Maximus the Confessor" — is pointing directly at this. The argument is already there. I'd push you to let it carry the weight rather than the phenomenological irreducibility framing, which keeps smuggling the problem back in.

One more: the Vincent citation in the introduction doesn't do what you need it to do. Vincent's profectus is the same truth becoming more fully itself — in eodem dogmate, eodem sensu, eademque sententia — not doctrinal expansion through the Spirit into creation. That's a different claim, and it's closer to a sophiological position than anything Vincent would recognize as his own argument.

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If you haven't read "The Analogy of Love: St Maximus the Confessor and the Foundations of Ethics" by Demetrios Harper, I would highly recommend it. It surprisingly contains a lot of material related to the person/nature question, and some constructive criticism of the theology of Zizoulas.

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