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Auca430's avatar
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On the other hand, can God be said to be the insatiably Good & Beautiful if he can be said to be seen in his purity and still be rejected?

Hence, in spiritual theology we are told to remember God's presence, since thats how we cut off desire for a lesser good. It is forgetfulness of God that leads to sin. No man would sin in the presence of God if he truly beheld him in faith in this life, or in substantial contact or vision in the next. Hence, the presence of God can in no way constitute held for a sinner, but it is the withholding of God which constitutes the pain of loss. God really does afflict the sinner justly by withholding himself.

Hence, St Augustine says that the damned are judged by Christ, but they can only see him in his human nature.

To suggest that one can be before the vary face of God and not immediately melt with love and conversion and worship is like saying you can be next to the sun and not burn.

Robert C Culwell's avatar

⏳ Divine Grace and Human FreeWill:

https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/03458b31-ce1b-4e92-84b1-b96c8daccc49

.....Christ is RISEN! ❤️‍🔥🔔🌐🕯️📿⛪⛲⚖️🗡️🔥👑

Pj's avatar
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I really want to hear your response to the arguments in That All Shall Be Saved by DBH after reading this.

Meredith McCann's avatar

“Christ Himself is the undying worm, the one who lovingly enters even those who hate Him, and thus becomes the One who torments them.”

This is the exact opposite of the CS Lewis school of thought, where the doors of hell are locked from the inside and God doesn’t force himself on the damned because he is such a gentleman.

Treydon Lunot's avatar

I think we need to take seriously St. Paul's teaching that, in the end, God is "all in all"

Robert C Culwell's avatar

A few Romanian Witnesses:

https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/5025a853-af74-4955-baf5-72c4bba0fed0

^Vladimir Lossky refers to hell as the dark lightless fire of our rejection of Divine Love.

(a paraphrase ✍🏼📘 from the end of his work, Mystical Theology of the ⛪ Eastern Church)

Bertani, Luca's avatar

Hi - Jesus said that

"THEIR worm dieth not"

Christ HIMSELF cannot be the UN-dying WORM :

because the worm that the Spirit of Christ refers to in the psalm of the cross <22:6, תוֹלַ֣עַת >

does not refer to that vermin which is born and bred in corruption:

but rather, what is called a "scale insect"

whose lifecycle is consummated by the mother climbing up a tree,

attaching herself to the skin of the wood,

laying the eggs underneath her body, so that it doesn't move and protects the eggs underneath her belly from the elements of sun, wind, moisture, dry and heat,

they take three days to hatch, then eat their way out of her body,

leaving a red stain behind.

Hence, whereas the worm which was "conceived in sin"

feeds itself upon corruption to grow larger, as it is "Shapen in inquity"

and leaves behind it the defiled product of its own lustful process.

The body of the mother was FORMED in love:

and leaves behind a red stain after her offspring,

which serves as an ornamental dye.